Alright, so people have asked (rather complain) that i set up a convention to discuss Rodarion's being back in this alliance. Now, as always, as this is a democracy, everyone is allowed to voice their opinion/arguements. However, i must say that i will not do anything until Hardenburgh comes back and the higher-ups (Me, gyf, and Sanctus) have discussed things with him and Rodarion. Please refrain from using bad language and spam. I want logical/understandable arguements and reason. No spam, flamebait, or war-mongering. You will be kicked from this convention/meeting and temporarily banned from the forums if done so.

Here are some few key details before things begin. These being:

1. Rodarion is permitted back into the alliance due to the treaty that we have agreed upon
2. The CoSN/DNU war was mainly fought to aid Azdun + Try to change Rodarion's malicious ways/stop a possible nuclear holocaust
3. Many of the Azdun members abandoned the war to commit to something more useful of their times (this action has seriously affected our relations with them).
4. Hardenburgh is still out on vacation and/or his account has a probable hack.
5. We have lots of puppets in our region.
6. Rodarion has committed atrocities and used WMD's in the past for some of the most simplest of conflicts.

With these facts pointed out and the rules of this meeting/convention have been duly noted, let the bitching begin.

5. is more of a view than a fact.

-Trescott

My being a mod permits me to swear in such times as these. One of the finer perks... Haha.

"1. Rodarion is permitted back into the alliance due to the treaty that we have agreed upon"
I feel that the treaty is void as a majority of us do not "accept" him as a member nor have we had a vote of any kind.
"2. The CoSN/DNU war was mainly committed to aid Azdun + Try to change Rodarion's views."
No comment.
"3. Many of the Azdun members abandoned the war to commit to something more useful of their times (this action has seriously affected our relations with them)."
No comment
"4. Hardenburgh is still out on vacation and/or his account has a probable hack."
That is probably affiliated with Rodarion in some manner
"5. We have lots of puppets in our region."
Who's fault is that?


Personally I would hope that Rodarion would leave of his own accord as he is not wanted here by any of the members and is only tolerated by the leadership. I feel that having him as a member is more dangerous then letting him keep his nuclear weapons.

You seem to be the only person not understanding it, how am i a danger to the COSN when i commit actions on my own accord.
Firstly, when this happened i left the COSN to the DNU so i wouldnt drag the COSN into a war, then sanctus in his wisedom declared war on the DNU for no apparent reason.

And that the entire thresk issue was planned by myself and Hardenburgh a month back, the plan being get Raludcia on edge and cause him to become aggressive so we invade. We did it because he was becoming freindly with a enemy of ours, Bendira. Therefore we organised the Thresk issue and he went away.
Ask him tomorrow, ask him if it was planned.

Rodarion wrote:

You seem to be the only person not understanding it, how am i a danger to the COSN when i commit actions on my own accord.
Firstly, when this happened i left the COSN to the DNU so i wouldnt drag the COSN into a war, then sanctus in his wisedom declared war on the DNU for no apparent reason.

And that the entire thresk issue was planned by myself and Hardenburgh a month back, the plan being get Raludcia on edge and cause him to become aggressive so we invade. We did it because he was becoming freindly with a enemy of ours, Bendira. Therefore we organised the Thresk issue and he went away.
Ask him tomorrow, ask him if it was planned.

Me, SHADOW, East, and Sensal all see you as some one who needs to be removed from the region at this point I stand by my opinion. I move that we rewrite the treaty so that Rodarion no longer has to give up his nuke but in return he and his dirty puppets must leave the region.

I'm really quite neutral on the whole issue, having joined the Coalition after the whole thing sparked off.
I would prefer to see a democratic solution, with each side being allowed to state their case (ie, one nation who supports Rodation re-joining the coalition, not Rodarion himself, and one nation who is against it).

Since we've just been at war, I can see why allowing Rodarion back into the Coalition may seem strange to some people; it would be good to set out the case for his re-joining in a single comprehensive piece.

A msn log regarding the plan with Thresk

even if I let out a document , outlining a set of Hardenburghian operations in Azsun
29/07/2010 20:35:40 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan ?
29/07/2010 20:40:16 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis oh yes my invasion of north thresk
29/07/2010 20:43:13 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan if you want , you could start that tonight
29/07/2010 20:48:46 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis ok then
29/07/2010 20:50:30 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan well , open up a thread
29/07/2010 20:50:36 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan and I will post as North Thresk
29/07/2010 20:50:41 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan you realise the garrison will surrender
29/07/2010 20:50:51 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - you may have a few shots fired at you by patrol boats
29/07/2010 20:51:12 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis that it?
29/07/2010 20:51:26 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan well , 1.500 men are not going to put up a major fight
29/07/2010 20:51:35 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - especially after a prolific bombardment
29/07/2010 20:51:40 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - you may loose ten men or so
29/07/2010 20:51:46 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - but it isn't going to be battle ala epic
29/07/2010 20:52:06 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis il bombard the towns into submission
29/07/2010 20:52:14 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis you know to limit civillian resistance
29/07/2010 20:52:53 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan think of it like the invasion of Afghanistan
29/07/2010 20:53:02 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan per se , there wasn't actually a lot of organised resistance
29/07/2010 20:53:10 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan yes , a few civilians may shoot at you
29/07/2010 20:53:14 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan but not much more
29/07/2010 20:54:00 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis right
29/07/2010 20:58:57 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis excuse to kill thousands
29/07/2010 21:01:48 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan okay then
29/07/2010 21:01:52 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - well we'll see
29/07/2010 21:01:58 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan naturally , I have my own motives in this
29/07/2010 21:16:30 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis which are
29/07/2010 21:19:06 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan well , scaring the S*** out of Azdun
29/07/2010 21:25:15 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis ha
29/07/2010 21:26:15 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan I now have an RP to sort out
29/07/2010 21:31:20 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis good
29/07/2010 21:31:23 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis tell all
29/07/2010 21:32:05 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan I am handing over Northwest Patagonia to Morrdh
29/07/2010 21:32:20 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=63686
29/07/2010 21:46:34 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis ah
29/07/2010 21:52:36 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis you sure about that
29/07/2010 21:52:52 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan I get it back in two years , and it pacifies GD
29/07/2010 21:53:05 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - besides , NW Patagonia is an economic FAIL
29/07/2010 21:53:17 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis haha
29/07/2010 21:53:41 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan well , since the end of the Hardenburghian whaling industry
29/07/2010 21:53:44 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - it's poor
29/07/2010 21:53:49 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan besides , I retain civil control
29/07/2010 21:54:01 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan and , you do realise , we need to weaken all potential Raludcian influence
29/07/2010 21:54:11 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis you do lol
29/07/2010 21:55:27 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan I know - and isn't this one way to do it ?
29/07/2010 21:55:33 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan at least a neutral GD would be good
29/07/2010 22:00:41 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan posted in it
29/07/2010 22:17:08 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis how will we do the nt thing
29/07/2010 22:18:34 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan I am actually not sure , , if you want to work something out , I'll follow along
29/07/2010 22:19:38 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis i cant think of anything
29/07/2010 22:19:42 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis you will have to think
29/07/2010 22:19:46 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan well , lets put it this way
29/07/2010 22:19:50 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - you have no reason
29/07/2010 22:20:03 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan unless , those terrorist attacks you tried to get Raludcia with
29/07/2010 22:20:07 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan you blame them on North THresk\
29/07/2010 22:27:01 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis hmm good idea
29/07/2010 22:28:04 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan it's the only way I can see you doing it !
29/07/2010 22:39:16 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis same
29/07/2010 22:39:36 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Hardenburghian_Army
29/07/2010 22:39:37 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan
29/07/2010 22:39:43 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan it's getting there , very slowly
29/07/2010 23:09:09 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis im looking
29/07/2010 23:09:31 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan
29/07/2010 23:14:05 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis right i have another idea
29/07/2010 23:15:19 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan go on
29/07/2010 23:15:41 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis why dont i send all Threskian immigrants to Argo121
29/07/2010 23:15:51 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis and they uprise so i kill them
29/07/2010 23:16:02 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis Thresk holds all the Rodarion owned oil rigs
29/07/2010 23:16:05 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis i invade
29/07/2010 23:16:37 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan good idea
29/07/2010 23:16:46 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan I would also inform Azdun of you're intentions
29/07/2010 23:16:52 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis you do it
29/07/2010 23:16:55 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis leak it
29/07/2010 23:16:58 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan
29/07/2010 23:17:04 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - can you do me a massive favour then
29/07/2010 23:17:15 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan write up you're plans for an attack in an MS word document
29/07/2010 23:17:19 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - make it long , and detailed
29/07/2010 23:17:37 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis attack on what?
29/07/2010 23:18:06 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan North Thresk
29/07/2010 23:18:22 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - and shall I show you the mutual cooperation treaty I am going to sign with RB
29/07/2010 23:18:28 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - to give you an idea of what ours will look like
29/07/2010 23:18:37 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis who is RB?
29/07/2010 23:18:44 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis reformed britnnia?
29/07/2010 23:18:50 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan yes
29/07/2010 23:18:54 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan he's a good duy
29/07/2010 23:18:57 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan *guy
29/07/2010 23:18:59 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan another brit
29/07/2010 23:19:03 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis i know
29/07/2010 23:19:13 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan worth being friends wit
29/07/2010 23:19:14 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan *with
29/07/2010 23:19:15 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis i doubt a yank would name his country brtiannia
29/07/2010 23:19:25 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan no , because they are jealous
29/07/2010 23:19:31 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan anyway , shall I show you this streaty
29/07/2010 23:19:41 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis please
29/07/2010 23:19:58 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis brb shower
29/07/2010 23:20:07 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan obviously it's moddled on him being democratic
29/07/2010 23:31:54 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis ah
29/07/2010 23:32:15 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan right
29/07/2010 23:32:18 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - shall I show
29/07/2010 23:32:35 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis ja bitte
29/07/2010 23:33:34 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis i can i have a course of the Threskian immigrant surge to Rodarion?
29/07/2010 23:33:53 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan yeah of course
29/07/2010 23:33:56 Louis sends Treaty .doc
29/07/2010 23:34:26 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan what about the Hburghian government raising taxation of Threskian exports
29/07/2010 23:34:32 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan causing a collapse intheir economy
29/07/2010 23:34:34 You have successfully received C:\Users\Alfie\Documents\My Received Files\Treaty .doc from Louis.
29/07/2010 23:34:35 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan right
29/07/2010 23:34:38 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan have a read of that
29/07/2010 23:34:43 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - and tell me if it's what you want
29/07/2010 23:36:07 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis whats it got to do with me?
29/07/2010 23:36:45 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan well , ist hat what you wantthe Hardenburghian-Rodarian treaty to look like
29/07/2010 23:36:51 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis oh ha
29/07/2010 23:37:09 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis well i like the bit where you accept each others cultures and governments
29/07/2010 23:37:22 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis i also recomend that you put in a defence pact for us
29/07/2010 23:37:29 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis joint military operations
29/07/2010 23:37:32 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan yes , that will be mandatory for both agreements
29/07/2010 23:37:41 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - and I will pave the way for Hardenburghian entrance into Rodarian wars
29/07/2010 23:37:59 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan by justifying Hardenburghian military intervention if "essential intrests are threatened
29/07/2010 23:38:22 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis That seems a bit intrudy
29/07/2010 23:38:52 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan well , otherwise , I can't do military
29/07/2010 23:38:59 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan - I am supposingly neutral
29/07/2010 23:40:31 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis Well you can if you ask
29/07/2010 23:40:50 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis of course i will state that we will be linent in our descision
29/07/2010 23:41:27 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan hmm - well , would a treaty moddelled around that be fine
29/07/2010 23:45:35 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis well you will discover the reason for the Argoa centres
29/07/2010 23:45:38 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis Argo*
29/07/2010 23:46:00 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan when?
29/07/2010 23:46:09 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis in the threskian post
29/07/2010 23:46:39 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan ah okay
29/07/2010 23:52:08 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis Hardenburgh could post
29/07/2010 23:52:19 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan yes - shall I
29/07/2010 23:52:21 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan where's the thread
29/07/2010 23:52:28 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan I want to get this treaty done with
29/07/2010 23:53:03 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis havent finished it yet
29/07/2010 23:54:23 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan ok
29/07/2010 23:57:40 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis could i have the name of a threskian celeb
29/07/2010 23:59:12 ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Louis anything will do
30/07/2010 00:00:24 Louis ^o) Alfie (L) Megan Idk Bernard Motissier ?

That is good enough for me I can now support Rodarion being back in the region and would like to see the Nuclear restrictions lifted. Although reparations should still be in place.

This conversation would've been more fun to sift through if there were some jokes or something in it...

And we never really limited him to anything. We just agreed to have him disarm 50,000 of his nukes and send some people over to make sure the disarmament process was being done. Although, Nuclear restrictions will be applied to the CoSN in a whole in the future. I can gurantee that.

Trescott wrote:

This conversation would've been more fun to sift through if there were some jokes or something in it...

Sorry here's a smiley playing Basketball

Grand Armenica wrote:

Trescott wrote:

This conversation would've been more fun to sift through if there were some jokes or something in it...

Sorry here's a smiley playing Basketball

Ah... good times. Any baseball ones?

I would like to apologise for all COSN deaths in the breif war.
And reperations are to paid and 55,000 nukes are to be disarmed.

Rodarion wrote:

I would like to apologise for all COSN deaths in the breif war.
And reperations are to paid and 55,000 nukes are to be disarmed.

Don't worry, it's not like we really wanted to fight the war in the first place... *eyes all the secret documents in the basement*... Yupp.

well it's a good thing I don't have any nukes, Hydrogen Bombs all the way

Grand Armenica wrote:

Rodarion wrote:

You seem to be the only person not understanding it, how am i a danger to the COSN when i commit actions on my own accord.
Firstly, when this happened i left the COSN to the DNU so i wouldnt drag the COSN into a war, then sanctus in his wisedom declared war on the DNU for no apparent reason.

And that the entire thresk issue was planned by myself and Hardenburgh a month back, the plan being get Raludcia on edge and cause him to become aggressive so we invade. We did it because he was becoming freindly with a enemy of ours, Bendira. Therefore we organised the Thresk issue and he went away.
Ask him tomorrow, ask him if it was planned.

Me, SHADOW, East, and Sensal all see you as some one who needs to be removed from the region at this point I stand by my opinion. I move that we rewrite the treaty so that Rodarion no longer has to give up his nuke but in return he and his dirty puppets must leave the region.

I would just like to comment, Hardenburgh was in contact with me for awhile before our invasion. At no point when I asked him about this did he say it was run by him beforehand. Furthermore you have no reason to attempt to scare away our Allies when we are in fact associated with you only through this Coalition (which in fact is apparently null and void). Lastly I would like to point out that you should've cleared it with Raludcia beforehand.

I request that the Coalition, for both it's and our futures, refrains from involving itself as a whole with Azdun matters, UNLESS a member nation of the Coalition is causing problems. While we have no qualms with personal alliances, as of now the Azdun Co-Prosperity Sphere severs it's connections with the Coalition as a whole and will instead only deal with individual nations.

Now I hereby extend an invitation to the following Nations to sign-up for the Azdun Regional Board and to create alliances with the ACPS

-Trescott
-Hardenburgh
-Sensal
-Grand Armencia
-Rabelliad

Good day.